Alan Keyes
Nobody wants to give Uncle Joe any guff about this? Really?
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Flipping through the news channels over the last few days, it seems the reaction to Obama is binary. So which one are you?
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9 comments:
I'm searching in vain to find something worthy of criticism. Was there a sidebar to the story? Mr. Keyes daughter says there is a "rift", but that she loves her parents and she knows that they love her. That sounds like the Keyes did a pretty good job raising their daughter. Sadly, I've met a large number of people who would love to be able to say they love their parents and they know their parents love them.
Perhaps you think he should be criticized for not supporting her homosexuality? Would you be just as hungry for guff if she said a "rift" had formed because they didn't agree with her choice of career or spouse? (a common, and to many an understandable source of disagreement).
I would have seen your point if the story indicated she had been tied to a water heater in the basement for her formative years in an effort to exercise her demons...but I'm not even sure why this is a story. Oh never mind...it was from CNN.
Is "Uncle Joe" a jokey reference to Mr. Keyes or did I completely misunderstand your post?
Even if my response was to nothing...it still feels good to point out that CNN "news" is as legitimate as Essie May Washington-Williams. Hey-oo.
Yes there is a sidebar. He stopped paying her tuition to Brown. I agree that it seems like he and his wife raised a very nice kid. And she took the high road by calling it "a rift" but he took the low road by withholding financial support to her based on her orientation. That I find worthy of guff and worthy or condemnation. If he withheld support because she married a crack dealer I see no problem. If he withheld support because she married a latino(a) or a member of group he just doesn't like well that makes him a bigot in my eyes. Uncle joe was merely a familiar way to refer to Mr. Stalin. In other news I am on my way to pick up an engagement ring for my woman.
Congratulations on the ring! I really hope she says yes. I'm not just saying that.
Oh yeah...even though it was not in your story, I'm sure you have solid grounds to believe Mr. Keyes cut off her college funds due to her sexuality. I'd like it to be on the record that if I had a daughter and I was paying her way through college (an act of pure charity) that largesse would end if I found her to be acting inappropriately. If there is a live-in boyfriend, the money would cease. If she is spending her time in a drunken stupor, the money would cease. And I would be completely justified...its my money.
Children owe it to their parents to respect their wishes as long as they are still dependents. When children decide to flout those wishes, they have volunteered for independence. The Keyes did not end their relationship, just the free money. And imparted an excellent life lesson in the process. It would be a shame if she squanders this lesson by taking the handouts that the story indicates have been offered to her.
I can see why she says she loves her parents. Its too bad the critics can't.
I have the word of the girl, who says that not only have they stopped paying tuition but they also have stopped talking to her and thrown her out of the house. I have heard no denial from Keyes. In fact, a quote from Keyes:
Keyes told a radio interviewer that Mary Cheney was a "selfish hedonist." Then, without having been asked anything about his own family, he volunteered that "if my daughter were a lesbian, I'd look at her and say, 'That is a relationship that is based on selfish hedonism.' I would also tell my daughter that it's a sin and she needs to pray to the Lord God to help her deal with that sin."
Keyes has a right to do whatever he wants with his money but thats not the issue. the issue for me is what kind of man this public moralist is and how insidious and destructive bigotry is.
I guess the question revolves around what "innapropriate behavior" is. I respect the idea of no live in boyfriend and no drunken stupor but I do not equate homosexuality with either. The first is an action, the second is self destructive, irresponsible behavior, the third is statement of who you are. I'll assume you don't equate homosexuality with living in a drunken stupor.
Homosexuality is either an urge or an action, depending on how you choose to define it. Just as heterosexuality is. Do I play flag football because it is "who I am?" No, I think I'm a bit more complex and substantive than that. Do I kiss girls because that is "who I am?" No, I'm a good deal more than that too. I'm afraid the new agey expression of "that is who I am" is hard for me to understand. What can't I do and then claim that "that is who I am?" It seems like a way to avoid justification.
Your point, if I may, is you believe homosexuality is inherent and indelible and, therefore, must be accepted. That is certainly one reasonable opinion to hold, but no more reasonable then others. Mr. Keyes believes there is a God who ordered the world and called some things good and others bad and he is trying to be true to his God. That too is reasonable.
I guess we could just flash our opinions at each other from behind our raincoats, but it seems more interesting to see what generates those opinions. I think homosexuality is an urge that one shouldn't give in to. I think many have it, just as many have the urge to be heterosexual or help a neighbor or kill one. Are you your urges? Are we reducible to only instinct and action? Then what of philosophy? What of poetry? Urges do not define us. The urge to have homosexual sex does not mean homosexual sex must be a good. So where do you turn to be convinced of the veracity of your opinions my dear Icarus?
Yes Bill, you kiss girls or want to kiss girls because of who you are. The idea that homosexuality is innate or hardwired in is not just one opinion no more or less reasonable than others. It is the overwhelmingly consensous opinion of homosexuality, who report longings towards the same sex earlier than they understood what that even meant.
We could get into a silly, the bible says all sorts of things that we know reject as being incompatible with a society that values liberty. Clearly there are things in the bible that you find morally offensive but may have made perfectly good sense at the time.
To demean the innate arguemenet with flag football analogies or to dismiss them as "new agey" or a way to avoid justification brings the discussion to a lower level.
You seem to being defining homosexuality as "urges" to be resisted as opposed to the spiritual fufillment and grace that most of us seek in our choice of a partner.
Two humans coming together to share a life and have a willing ness to sacrifice their interests for their partners is to my understanding, the central building block of human society.
True,the bible defines this as male/female but we know that romantic and sexual love are part of this equation. Just as you would never have a satisfying romantic life with a man, a gay man will not have one with a woman. What do we, as a society, gain by denying their happiness and fufillment?
My flag football analagy was not meant to demean anyone, I'm sorry you misinterpreted it. It was simply to make clear the fact that just because you really like or want something...that alone doesn't define you. And it doesn't matter what that thing is...I could have chosen examples you would have found non-demeaning (and wish I had so as to avoid this unneccesary confusion) and the argument would not be changed. Our compulsions are not the sum total or our identities. I would actually find a behavior more difinitive if it were not based on urge or impulse, because then it would be a free choice. That freedom is as close to a definition of humanity as I can think of. I chose my identity daily.
I'm curious how you use consensus to arrive at your beliefs. What is your reaction to alien abduction victims? Is their consensus enough to sway you or would you appeal to some other standard before accepting their position.
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